Which panels should be flagged?


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Luwano 48 [ 9:56 am Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

Hello everyone,

I was wondering lately if there are more detailed guidelines about when to flag a panel and what one can do if one thinks a panel has been flagged unjustly.

I am not talking about one of my panels, none of them have been flagged so far. In this case, some user drew a blue stickman when the description was "Tron blue guy". Is that wrong? It's not like anybody needs to "protect" this drawing lol, but it made me wonder when things SHOULD be flagged and what kind of stuff you flag usually.

I only flag nudity, cock jokes and so on, when there is no connection to the game or generally when it's definitely obvious trolling.

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SmashTheState 35 [ 10:11 am Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

You don't think drawing a 1-second stickman counts as trolling?

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Ackter 66 [ 10:46 am Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

It's not trolling, it's just really, really not trying.

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Luwano 48 [ 1:31 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

It could be trolling and it could be someone who can't draw humans and does not know the movie Tron. All I am saying is, that it doesn't need to be removed in my opinion.

But honestly, it was just an example. What I was wondering about is, if there is some kind of detailed info on the topic. Unfortunately the forum does not have a search function. Or does it?

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Ackter 66 [ 2:08 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

Basically flagging is for anything offensive, or anything that comes in above the PG-13 rating Reed wishes this site would operate under.

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Scribbletard 55 [ 2:35 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

I realize this thread is not actually about stick people, but I would not flag a stick person unless I felt it was actually a troll which I would determine by looking at the prompt, their page and previous drawings/descriptions.

What has been said above is it. PG-13. Any graphic boobs or genitalia should not be allowed and should be flagged, regardless of the skill of the player. Use the "you know it when you see it" test.

Lack of effort can often lead you into a troll's nest. Then you can flag their other crap which, inexplicably, had not been previously flagged or removed.

This is where a messaging system would be really handy because players could alert other players to trolls and the troll panels could then be flagged a sufficient number of times to be automatically removed without having to send copious emails to Reed. I do not know if the banning system is automated though. Of course, that is scarily close to moderators.

BAH!

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Scribbletard 55 [ 2:35 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

I also like stick people and find them fun.

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AdvancePlays 37 [ 4:52 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

But if someone puts no effort at all into a panel then they shouldn't be playing. Drawception can't survive if it gets piles of new players drawing panels that take less than 20 seconds. I can't think of any way to prevent that, though. Maybe if it doesn't let you submit before 1 minute has passed, then scraps your drawing.

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Luwano 48 [ 5:10 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

Thanks for the answers everyone. You were really helpful.

@AdvancePlays: Maybe they could ask you for a reason when you report a panel and there are some options to choose from. Like "innappropriate content", "random scribbles", "empty panel". Especially the last one happens often as a bug or mistake rather than an attempt at trolling.

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Scribbletard 55 [ 5:10 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

Well, a player has to get a feel for the game. Many may come into it thinking it is like Pictionary and get nervous about the time, so they hurry. It's only through experience that one learns the timing and their personal drawing limits within that time. One person's "no effort" may have been a lot of cogitating, planning, erasing and restarting for another.

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Ackter 66 [ 5:15 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

The way to "deal" with people who just take 20 seconds to draw something is to encourage them politely in the comments tbh.

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leilei 67 [ 8:07 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

I flag all first panels that have "fetish", "porno" and "scat"

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Kocho 56 [ 8:28 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

I think panels should be flagged that are pornographic (I even drew male genitalia once, before I realized it was a PG13 site, my fault completely, and wish I could take it back), racist, or ones that are blatantly there to derail the game. I don't think we can assume stick figures are necessarily flag worthy...some pretty funny games came from "Stickman" games. I think new players have to be given a chance to get comfortable, learn the ropes and discover what is and is not acceptable. Sometimes "poop" or swearing is relevant to the game. I think Scribbletard is on to something with the "You know it when you see it" idea. I must say though, if genitalia are ban worthy, I think it should hold true for the very "artistic" pictures and apply to the really great artists as well.

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Stephra 56 [ 9:24 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

Here's one that just came in today. Would you flag panel 8? http://drawception.com/viewgame/C33kEBBYMC/creepypasta/

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Just Peachy 52 [ 9:49 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

Stephra -- that's a really good question. I've been flagging the NSFW/not PG-13 panels as much as possible. But that panel is a bit of a poser. I'm not flagging it right now, of course, because it's a good example to let folks ponder. It is flaggable since it's obviously NOT what was prompted. It is also the very first drawing done by that player. SO...the question is would it be better to flag and say nothing, or to not flag and leave the offending player a note in the comments section? I think Akter's point is well taken, and in this case, I think that would be the best course of action. If the player continues to play in a similar manner, then it's time to report such a player as a troll.

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Kocho 56 [ 9:54 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

I would check out the profile (as Just Peachy obviously has), if it is the first drawing I will leave a comment. If it happens again so blatantly I would flag it.

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Just Peachy 52 [ 9:57 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

Now, here's one by an established player who seems to specialize in the outrageous, gruesome, or just OTT sort of drawing that one would find in a John Kricfalusi cartoon. What do you think? (frame 6) http://drawception.com/viewgame/WTGr413DOs/hear-me-roar/

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leilei 67 [ 10:01 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

i'd flag #6 because that's a fetish artist with an intent on perverse derailment. Just look at the game history of that one, as well as Yurii (both accounts are the same person)

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yo no sé 33 [ 11:39 pm Wed Jul 18th, 2012 ]

I don't Flag nudity or stuff that's not PG13 because it doesn't offend me and its not my job to police, so I just flag what I believe to be a troll. I do the more investigative approach before I report anyone though.

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taekwondogirl 53 [ 12:20 am Thu Jul 19th, 2012 ]

I've lobbied for a clearer explanation of what is considered inappropriate (trolling is a case by case judgment call), because even with PG-13 it's very unclear. On top of that, a lot of things that fit in PG-13 aren't actually work safe, which defeats the purpose of having a set guideline of what's acceptable.

Before people cry out about censorship and other such idiocy, my entire point about a rating system is it gives the knowledge of what to expect to the users, and then they can act accordingly or not so accordingly and be held responsible if they should be.

This of course has also set off arguments about what SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be work safe and taboo, and about how nudity and sex are natural things and society is faulted for seeing those things as such. That's definitely a discussion worth having and is something I'm interested in.

However, discussing and arguing it on a forum for an internet browser game is not going to change reality at all. Whether or not someone shouldn't get fired for seeing topless chicks (just an example, I could switch this out with anything so don't get too hung up on the example itself) doesn't change the fact that they probably will face disciplinary action at work. Again, not arguing whether or not that's right or wrong because it's irrelevant.

What is key is giving users a very thorough expectation. If this site is going to allow breasts, that needs to be absolutely clear to its users so they can choose whether or not they want to access the game at work.

TL;DR: Site needs to pick a better rating system that actually reflects the goal of making Drawception work-safe or needs to give up the pretense that it is in fact safe for work.

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Just Peachy 52 [ 1:18 pm Thu Jul 19th, 2012 ]

Good points, Taekwondogirl. I hadn't considered it (because I have a US-bias towards what might be considered NSFW), but in different countries the degree of nudity considered "okay" (for want of a better word) can be vastly different. I agree that some clarification of guidelines would be helpful. That said, I'd like to acknowledge all the work that Reed already puts into the site, and I hope he knows how much we appreciate him!

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