Bring Back The Downvote

If a prompt has been drawn with no mind to the prompt before it, it's a troll panel and should be flagged.

It has the exact same effect as the downvote. Misdirecting games because you feel like it is still trolling, even if it's not a solely troll account.

The user will either see what's happening and stop, or they'll carry on and get limited and eventually banned.

If a genuine panel gets misunderstood, it's unlikely enough people will vote to make a difference. And if enough do, the panel will be removed and Im sure the genuine user will just ask why in the comments section.

No, leave the downvote in its grave where it belongs. The game was trolled with the downvote, and it continues to get trolled without it. Clearly bringing back the downvote will not solve the troll problem.

Those afraid of the downvote are simply afraid of their own inadequacies. And probably spiders.

What I would like is a way to show that you don't feel the drawing is a good representation of the prompt apart from a comment. For example, if you directly change a certain character or put in something completely unrelated that takes away from the game or derails it completely, then you shouldn't be let off scot-free.

A lot of you have brought up the point that the flagging feature can easily replace the downvote. While this is true for punishing trolls/griefers, in my opinion the downvote function was also a way to punish sloppy and rushed art. Not everybody may be a born artist, but effort is easily visible and appreciable. There should be a way to call out a lack of caring when it comes to the panels.

Uh, given that not everyone here is an awesome artist and some people's drawings are the best they can do even if they're not perfect, using a downvote for "sloppy and rushed" panels makes you sound like kind of a jerk.

@NES630, who would be deemed "qualified" to judge these drawings? How does one know when a drawing is "rushed" or "sloppy" or simply the best someone can do?

I ask because looking at some of your drawings, I see a few that one might be compelled to downvote based on your criteria.

Yeah, a ton of the earlier ones were crappy, and were rightfully downvoted because I put no effort into them. But those panels that I actually worked on did better, and naturally, inspired me to at least try drawing the caption to the best of my ability.

I'm not saying that you need to be talented, you just have to give a damn.

And how exactly do you decide who "gives a damn"?

What gives you the right to judge the amount of damns people give?

In my opinion if you have a problem with a derail say so in the comments. Otherwise understand that not everyone is a great artist. How does downvoting improve the game?

I agree with NES630. Often have I wanted to downvote a panel without flagging it as inappropriate. I agree that in the vast majority of cases the panels I'd downvote are flaggable, but sometimes they're not, and don't deserve to be removed outright. However, they do deserve to be downvoted for lack of effort, introduction of something completely unrelated, etc.

If the decision was made to take out the downvote in favor of the flag instead, and there's no chance of the downvote coming back, I suppose I'll have to accept it just like I have to accept there being no "Dislike" button Facebook, no matter how much I happen to Dislike it.

My $0.02.

Just leave a comment in that case?

OK, so a lot of you are bringing up the fact that nobody has a right to judge something as bad. By that logic though, who has the right to judge anything GOOD? Frankly, everyone has the right to judge, so that excuse is out of the question.

And comments can easily be ignored, because they have no immediate effect. A downvote, on the other hand, hurts the score, and is an effective deterrent.

There needs to be a more effective solution before replacing the downvote. Ideas?

I agree with NES. Downvoting should simply be "I didn't like this," like it is on reddit. It shouldn't be, "I want to kill this with fire" or anything like that.

I rather not have downvoting.

I prefer "don't like-- just ignore and move on." If you think a panel is so lousy that you feel compelled to respond to that panel, leave a comment.

the panels are all up to interpretation. something that looks like an "introduction of something completely unrelated" may not be intentional. For example if my caption was "sun wukong", I could imagine someone thinking that I can't spell "working" and draw the sun working or something like that. shrugs

"There should at least be a discussion regarding the downvote before we send it to the dustbin of forgotten features."

First off, there was a discussion. People trolled with downvotes on legitimate panels. The new system eliminates that from happening.

"OK, so a lot of you are bringing up the fact that nobody has a right to judge something as bad. By that logic though, who has the right to judge anything GOOD? Frankly, everyone has the right to judge, so that excuse is out of the question."

You sound a bit full of yourself here. "Good" art will forever be a subjective argument wherever you go. One man's masterpiece is another person's "meh."

I hate to get personal, but you've been in over 100 games. You've drawn in 25. You're not exactly the next Picasso or Van Gogh. I'm okay with that. The variance of art styles makes the game what is is. I feel like no effort was put into some of your drawings and I would "down vote" them using your logic. It all looks sloppy and rushed to me. Why does it look that way to me?

Because I do art and other art-related things for a living. That makes my judgement of other art a little more critical than some. I never downvoted panels for looking like yours or looking "rushed." I downvoted trolls (you know, what you were supposed to downvote). Nowhere in the criteria for downvotes did it say "use for sloppy or hastily-drawn art."

"And comments can easily be ignored, because they have no immediate effect. A downvote, on the other hand, hurts the score, and is an effective deterrent."

I hope you realize comments are more likely to be seen than an angry forum rant. The people involved in the game get a notification of your comment and the chances of them seeing it are pretty high.

"There needs to be a more effective solution before replacing the downvote. Ideas?"

Flagging works for me. You do realize when panels are removed they can no longer receive upvotes, right? I'd say that's a pretty nice deterrent in a game that now relies on leveling up.

Think of it as an RPG; if you "fail" a battle (have a panel removed), you receive no experience and you have to start another "battle" in order to progress. If you do well, you earn experience. You are rewarded for doing well (or showing effort). You never lose "experience" in an RPG for failing. You just gotta keep playing.

"I agree with NES. Downvoting should simply be "I didn't like this," like it is on reddit. It shouldn't be, "I want to kill this with fire" or anything like that."

What is the point of this suggestion honestly? Would "I didn't like this" affect their score? Your personal opinion shouldn't affect another person's score just because you "didn't like it." Reddit is a different ballgame. You vote up "stories" or images. Stories aren't human beings who are trying to draw. They have no feelings either way. Sure the poster may feel sided, but there's a little known fact you're missing:

This isn't Reddit. With Reddit, you can't vote down a submission past 0. Reddit orders links based on numbers of upvotes. Users acquire "karma," as you know. That's not really how the system works here.

@hikaridranz has the right idea here. If you hate a drawing SOOOO much, comment. There's no reason to remove an upvote an up and coming player has received because you simply "don't like it." Flag it if it's inappropriate and move on with your life. Actually play the game instead of critique people.

"the panels are all up to interpretation. something that looks like an "introduction of something completely unrelated" may not be intentional. For example if my caption was "sun wukong", I could imagine someone thinking that I can't spell "working" and draw the sun working or something like that. shrugs"

The truest words that have been spoken here. It's not your job to judge others interpretations. If it isn't "good" in your opinion, move on. Don't upvote it. If it's good or you like it, show your praise with a thumbs up. Simple as that.

Here's an example of something that isn't derailing/trolling, but I think is something deserving of a downvote. This has nothing to do with artistic skills.

http://drawception.com/viewgame/71ODqFPkCW/america/

Downvote? Flag? Or perfectly acceptable play that should be encouraged?

BTW - that image had +4 at the time it was removed, so there are obviously those that like that sort of thing and would upvote/encourage it.

Comments were made about it, but those can be readily dismissed and ignored. A downvote has a little more oomph to it.

It's all in the eye of the beholder. Heck, someone might have seen a freakin' alien spaceship in that panel. People have upvoted worse things on the site, but your "downvote" would've simply reduced that panel to 3 upvotes.

OOHH. I BET YOU WOULD FEEL SO EMPOWERED.

Flagging it prevents the player from receiving additional upvotes on the panel. That's a lot of "oomph" in a game that relies on leveling up (and also, the lack of downvotes prevents you from going on a downvote spree on my panels because I didn't agree with you in the forums. That shit used to happen all the time).

You really shouldn't "readily dismiss and ignore" the comments; you were obviously butthurt and they called you out on your silliness. Let's look at your comment here: "It'd just be nice to see people put a little more effort in than to spoil games by catering to the lowers common denominator. "

That's a borderline insult. Don't you think you could have shared your opinion a little nicer than that?

"Here's an example of something that isn't derailing/trolling, but I THINK is something deserving of a downvote. "

You see? That's your opinion. Not everyone is going to share that opinion (hence the panel's upvotes).

I showed the game to a gay friend of mine. He didn't find it offensive at all. He actually found it pretty funny. Not everyone is going to be like you or my friend; your life will be so much better when you realize that.